Of course I love Jesus.
He was Muslim like me. =DDo you love Jesus Christ, the true Son of God :)? ?
Im not sure i recognize him as the son of God, but yes i love him...Do you love Jesus Christ, the true Son of God :)? ?
Nope. Here, a nice song about your hay-zeus.
http://www.lyricsondemand.com/t/toollyri鈥?/a>
Yes, I Love Him With All my Heart......And He loves you with all of His....
';For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.';( John 3: 16-17)
One true and living God, the Creator, Redeemer, Sustainer, and Ruler
of all things. He is infinite, eternal, unchangeable, and is
revealed to us as the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
God the Father:
God, as Father, reigns over His entire
universe with providential care. He is all-powerful, all loving, and
all knowing, and all wise. He is fatherly in attitude toward all men
but is Father, indeed, to those who have become children of God
through Jesus Christ, who will deliver them into the Father鈥檚 hands.
(Genesis 1:1; 1 Chronicles 29:10; Jeremiah 10:10; Matthew 6:9; Acts
1:7; Romans 8:14-15; 1 Corinthians 8:6; 1 Corinthians 15:24;
Ephesians 4:6).
God the Son:
We believe that the Lord Jesus Christ, the eternal Son of God, became man without ceasing to be God, having been conceived of the Holy Spirit and born of a virgin, in order that He might reveal God and redeem sinful man. This redemption He accomplished by voluntarily giving Himself as a sinless,
substitutionary sacrifice on the cross, thereby satisfying God鈥檚
righteous judgment against sin. After substantiating the
accomplishment of that redemption and justification by His bodily
resurrection from the grave, He ascended to the right hand of His
Father, where He intercedes on behalf of those who trust Him. (Luke
1:34-35; John 1:1,2,14,18; Romans 3:24-26,8:34)
God the Holy Spirit:
We believe that the Holy Spirit is the Divine Person who convicts the
world of sin (righteous-ness and judgment), that He alone brings new
life to those who are spiritually dead; that He baptizes (or places)
all believers into the one true Church, which is the Body of Christ;
that He indwells them permanently, seals them unto the day of final
redemption, bestows spiritual gifts upon them, fills (controls)
those who are yielding to Him. Every believer is called to life so
in the power of the indwelling Spirit that he will not fulfill the
lust of the flesh but will bear fruit to the glory of God. (John
3:3-8; 14:16-17; 16:7-11; 1 Corinthians 12:7-11,13; Ephesians 4:30;
5:18).
God Bless
Nope.
Not one iota.
jesus ( if he existed at all ) was a man like any other. your god is as real as sleeping beauty.
No.
Who? I know a guy named Jesus (pronounced Hey-Zeus) that works at the K-Mart down the street, but I don't love him...
We are all the sons and daughters of God. Jesus is a very nice deity - but not among those I ';love.';
Yes-sure do and am proud to say it!
No, I love the FSM, the only true god.
No. How can I love a fictional character?? Do you love Tom Sawyer??
Yes.
I doubt he ever existed. Certainly the biblical description is quite false.
Friday, February 12, 2010
Is it true its too late for athiest to repent once Jesus comes back?
how can that not scare you athiest!!!Is it true its too late for athiest to repent once Jesus comes back?
Better flee when you see a zombie.Is it true its too late for athiest to repent once Jesus comes back?
Its never to late unless your dead and haven't done it!
God loves you....God bless
For all I know, it might worry an athiest. After all, they're figments of the Fundie mind.
As for atheists, I think they're more interested in getting on with living.
Reign of terror?
Oh no, Jesus is coming back to kill all who thinks differently, questions, and has their own thoughts and opinions. If he was a kind man, then I wouldn't be too scared but....To me, it's the same exact thing as Hitler coming back alive.
What would we have to live under? Dictatorship, Communism, Monarchy? Something America has been trying to fight off isn't it?
I hope so. I would hate to be linked to that loser
If I claimed that when I died I was going to come back and judge everyone, dispensing with the ones who dont believe me; would you be worried?
Wheeeee....supposing that you are following the one true faith, like everyone else I see....
Thanks for bringing up Pascal's wager once again!
We'll be too busy helping the frozen inhabitants of Hell at that point. Tricky stuff.
It's not easy to find your way by a blue moon, especially with monkeys constantly flying out of your bottom.
CD
No ,Jesus returned a long time back . At the end of the gentile times.There is still time all be it short.
It doesn't scare me because I don't believe in it.
BTW, I like the plank in your eye. ;-)
Is Jesus supposed to use violence on people because they did not believe in him? wooow, what a God of ';LOVE';!
*****sigh***** yeah, probably is........oh well.
Doesn't scare me but then I'm an athEIst not an athIEst
Okay if your Christian then you know it isn't too late!
Well, at least you're more intelligent than the real Fireball226.
LOL! You have a beam in your eye!
How did you do that?
(I don't know if it would be too late for atheists to repent once Jesus comes for the second time, but he does tell all of us to be ready to be judged...even Christians who don't live quite the life Jesus laid out before them.)
ill embrace the fires of hell,and fight against the tyranny of your pitifully god...even your prophecy says evil shall rule again!............was that a good rant.....was i convincing....mayby i should use big caps.....hmmmmm
Actually, they'll go through tribulation and be able to repent then.
So I have to believe before the evidence shows up? What a silly notion. Definitely a game only a human being would play.
They have been given over to their own lusts, and so are too blind to see their peril. There's nothing we can say or do to change that.
Better flee when you see a zombie.Is it true its too late for athiest to repent once Jesus comes back?
Its never to late unless your dead and haven't done it!
God loves you....God bless
For all I know, it might worry an athiest. After all, they're figments of the Fundie mind.
As for atheists, I think they're more interested in getting on with living.
Reign of terror?
Oh no, Jesus is coming back to kill all who thinks differently, questions, and has their own thoughts and opinions. If he was a kind man, then I wouldn't be too scared but....To me, it's the same exact thing as Hitler coming back alive.
What would we have to live under? Dictatorship, Communism, Monarchy? Something America has been trying to fight off isn't it?
I hope so. I would hate to be linked to that loser
If I claimed that when I died I was going to come back and judge everyone, dispensing with the ones who dont believe me; would you be worried?
Wheeeee....supposing that you are following the one true faith, like everyone else I see....
Thanks for bringing up Pascal's wager once again!
We'll be too busy helping the frozen inhabitants of Hell at that point. Tricky stuff.
It's not easy to find your way by a blue moon, especially with monkeys constantly flying out of your bottom.
CD
No ,Jesus returned a long time back . At the end of the gentile times.There is still time all be it short.
It doesn't scare me because I don't believe in it.
BTW, I like the plank in your eye. ;-)
Is Jesus supposed to use violence on people because they did not believe in him? wooow, what a God of ';LOVE';!
*****sigh***** yeah, probably is........oh well.
Doesn't scare me but then I'm an athEIst not an athIEst
Okay if your Christian then you know it isn't too late!
Well, at least you're more intelligent than the real Fireball226.
LOL! You have a beam in your eye!
How did you do that?
(I don't know if it would be too late for atheists to repent once Jesus comes for the second time, but he does tell all of us to be ready to be judged...even Christians who don't live quite the life Jesus laid out before them.)
ill embrace the fires of hell,and fight against the tyranny of your pitifully god...even your prophecy says evil shall rule again!............was that a good rant.....was i convincing....mayby i should use big caps.....hmmmmm
Actually, they'll go through tribulation and be able to repent then.
So I have to believe before the evidence shows up? What a silly notion. Definitely a game only a human being would play.
They have been given over to their own lusts, and so are too blind to see their peril. There's nothing we can say or do to change that.
The gospels of Thomas are considered by biblical scholars as a true source of Jesus words, have you read them
The Gospels of Thomas were found at Nagi Hammadi Egypt in 1945, they had been hidden for nearly 2000 years, they found many others but the scholars thought these were the most important. Some of the verses matched the oldest known piece of written gospel ever found, When Eusebius put together the new testament for Emperor Constantine, he ignored it along with many others, why? in verse 23 it says you will be chosen one from a thousand and two from ten thousand!!! this is probaly were Matthew 22:14 comes from, many are called but few are chosen.The gospels of Thomas are considered by biblical scholars as a true source of Jesus words, have you read them
Yes I have read them -- and they gave me the key to the Bible, and to true salvation in Jesus Christ. If not for it, I may not have been graced with knowledge and understanding, and afterwards, my spontaneous Baptism of the Holy Spirit.
A wonderful book!The gospels of Thomas are considered by biblical scholars as a true source of Jesus words, have you read them
Yes, Thomas was Jesus half brother because Joseph was a widower who had children from a previous marriage. Thomas said, ';Salvation comes by knowledge, not by the death and resurrection of Jesus';. ';If you don't know yourself, you live in poverty and become that poverty';. Now you know why Early Church leaders choose to eliminate it from the Canon of the New Testament. It's a shame that Christians are never given the full story.
If you read the rest of it, it says that the kingdom of heaven is within each of us, and you can't make big bucks with that sort of religion.
not by most biblical scholars.
There are only Four(4) Gospels in the New Testament:
Matthew, Mark, Luke and John..
It's already written..
I don't know why this gospel or the Gospel of Mary Magdalene were dismissed. Rumor has it that Thomas was Jesus' brother, and that would mean that the Virgin Mary didn't remain a virgin throughout her life, something that is very important to the Catholic church.
Yes I have read them; No, they are not the words of Jesus!
In Christ
Fr. Joseph
Which Biblical scholars? All the scholars I've heard have said that they are the gnostic writings and are not Scriptural.
no they aren't considered that at all... which is why they weren't in the original canonization.
4 gospels for each corner of the earth. each of them support eachother.
Look at all the Christians jumping up and down, having to answer a question that points out, indirectly, that their bibles have been censored and altered! You Protestants are defending the lies of Popes when you do that, you know?!
I'd take the Gospel of Thomas and the Gospel of Mary Magdalene as real long before I would the stuff that has been through the meat grinder of the Catholic hierarchy.
hidden..what lol...that's a lie...this book along with several others was put in a seperate book and had an explanation as to why it was not chosen for the Bible...actually because they traced the roots and it wasn't written by Thomas and no one used it
I have the book along with some others. I really enjoy reading *Thunder Perfect Mind*.
There are 2 major reasons why the Gospel of Thomas was excluded. The first is that - unlike some of the writings which actually made it into the canon - it was known from the very earliest times that this gospel did not originate with Thomas the disciple. The work is pseudonymous. Authorship was a key factor in the original selection of works for the canon of the New Testament, even if the early Church Fathers sometimes came to the wrong conclusions about who wrote what. At least with the Gospel of Thomas, they were right.
The more important factor is that, while most of the sayings in the Gospel of Thomas are probably authentic, and while it represents the best extant ';sayings gospel';, some of the sayings can be construed as disavowing the divinity of the Son. Since at the time the canon was being assembled, the major ';heresy'; which the church was guarding against was the Arian movement (which Constantine and many of the Roman elites were proponents of). Arians rejected the Divinity of Christ and the Trinity. That's probably not that big a deal nowadays, but at the time it was a hugely important controversy in defining what orthodox Christianity would look like. Whether the sayings of Thomas' gospel are authentic or not, the gospel gives no context which might disassociate them from any Arian interpretation. And so it could not stand as one of the canonical gospels.
But it remains, in my opinion, THE most important extra-biblical document regarding the teachings of Jesus.
Peace to you.
No, no. The Gospel of Thomas was never part of scripture.
good stuff in Thomas, but i preferred the Gospel of Mary
Yes I have read them -- and they gave me the key to the Bible, and to true salvation in Jesus Christ. If not for it, I may not have been graced with knowledge and understanding, and afterwards, my spontaneous Baptism of the Holy Spirit.
A wonderful book!The gospels of Thomas are considered by biblical scholars as a true source of Jesus words, have you read them
Yes, Thomas was Jesus half brother because Joseph was a widower who had children from a previous marriage. Thomas said, ';Salvation comes by knowledge, not by the death and resurrection of Jesus';. ';If you don't know yourself, you live in poverty and become that poverty';. Now you know why Early Church leaders choose to eliminate it from the Canon of the New Testament. It's a shame that Christians are never given the full story.
If you read the rest of it, it says that the kingdom of heaven is within each of us, and you can't make big bucks with that sort of religion.
not by most biblical scholars.
There are only Four(4) Gospels in the New Testament:
Matthew, Mark, Luke and John..
It's already written..
I don't know why this gospel or the Gospel of Mary Magdalene were dismissed. Rumor has it that Thomas was Jesus' brother, and that would mean that the Virgin Mary didn't remain a virgin throughout her life, something that is very important to the Catholic church.
Yes I have read them; No, they are not the words of Jesus!
In Christ
Fr. Joseph
Which Biblical scholars? All the scholars I've heard have said that they are the gnostic writings and are not Scriptural.
no they aren't considered that at all... which is why they weren't in the original canonization.
4 gospels for each corner of the earth. each of them support eachother.
Look at all the Christians jumping up and down, having to answer a question that points out, indirectly, that their bibles have been censored and altered! You Protestants are defending the lies of Popes when you do that, you know?!
I'd take the Gospel of Thomas and the Gospel of Mary Magdalene as real long before I would the stuff that has been through the meat grinder of the Catholic hierarchy.
hidden..what lol...that's a lie...this book along with several others was put in a seperate book and had an explanation as to why it was not chosen for the Bible...actually because they traced the roots and it wasn't written by Thomas and no one used it
I have the book along with some others. I really enjoy reading *Thunder Perfect Mind*.
There are 2 major reasons why the Gospel of Thomas was excluded. The first is that - unlike some of the writings which actually made it into the canon - it was known from the very earliest times that this gospel did not originate with Thomas the disciple. The work is pseudonymous. Authorship was a key factor in the original selection of works for the canon of the New Testament, even if the early Church Fathers sometimes came to the wrong conclusions about who wrote what. At least with the Gospel of Thomas, they were right.
The more important factor is that, while most of the sayings in the Gospel of Thomas are probably authentic, and while it represents the best extant ';sayings gospel';, some of the sayings can be construed as disavowing the divinity of the Son. Since at the time the canon was being assembled, the major ';heresy'; which the church was guarding against was the Arian movement (which Constantine and many of the Roman elites were proponents of). Arians rejected the Divinity of Christ and the Trinity. That's probably not that big a deal nowadays, but at the time it was a hugely important controversy in defining what orthodox Christianity would look like. Whether the sayings of Thomas' gospel are authentic or not, the gospel gives no context which might disassociate them from any Arian interpretation. And so it could not stand as one of the canonical gospels.
But it remains, in my opinion, THE most important extra-biblical document regarding the teachings of Jesus.
Peace to you.
No, no. The Gospel of Thomas was never part of scripture.
good stuff in Thomas, but i preferred the Gospel of Mary
Is it true that if you dont accept Jesus as your Savior , one day you will get hit by a bus?
God will allow you time and many chances to accept His call. Once it is apparent that you have decided to reject Him forever.... then He will lift His protective hand of grace and mercy from you, allowing Satan to destroy you.
And yes... being crushed to death by a bus is one of the many likely possibilities.Is it true that if you dont accept Jesus as your Savior , one day you will get hit by a bus?
No!Is it true that if you dont accept Jesus as your Savior , one day you will get hit by a bus?
OMG That totally explains why I almost got hit by a bus when I walked out into the middle of traffic yesterday.
No, but you may get struck by lightning.
yup. it'll be one of the ones with an atheist advert on it as well!
Yes, it is entirely true, havent you heard of hell?
Hell is a place where people go to get hit by buses because they did not accept jesus as their savior.
Are you asking about me personally or people in general?
I'm going with No on this one, either way.
No, you will burn in hell for all eternity, in comparison to which being hit by a bus seems a rather pleasant holiday!
if your talking About Jesus the Christ, then No you wont get hit by a bus, but worse things will happen to you after you die.
no, by a Fundamentalist asteroid
stupid question.
what about the people 300 years ago that did not believe in Jesus... there was no bus to hit them back than lol
No dear.
But it is good to learn how to swim.
if you're worried about traffic accidents, why not check out the Drivers Handbook in your state regarding pedestrian laws..
speaking of pedestrian..
Possibly, in your case.
Sure......
heck, I haven't been hit by a bus yet.
I certainly hope not.
This is kind of a ridiculous question.
What happened to the people who were here before Jesus was?
Or the people that were around before buses?
No...oh no, here comes a bu.......screams blood everywhere.....crawl away a bloody mess lifts head ....yes.
Yes, it's happened to me a few times, I only died...
No, of course not.
This video has something to say about the subject
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OvdMeCQe鈥?/a>
And yes... being crushed to death by a bus is one of the many likely possibilities.Is it true that if you dont accept Jesus as your Savior , one day you will get hit by a bus?
No!Is it true that if you dont accept Jesus as your Savior , one day you will get hit by a bus?
OMG That totally explains why I almost got hit by a bus when I walked out into the middle of traffic yesterday.
No, but you may get struck by lightning.
yup. it'll be one of the ones with an atheist advert on it as well!
Yes, it is entirely true, havent you heard of hell?
Hell is a place where people go to get hit by buses because they did not accept jesus as their savior.
Are you asking about me personally or people in general?
I'm going with No on this one, either way.
No, you will burn in hell for all eternity, in comparison to which being hit by a bus seems a rather pleasant holiday!
if your talking About Jesus the Christ, then No you wont get hit by a bus, but worse things will happen to you after you die.
no, by a Fundamentalist asteroid
stupid question.
what about the people 300 years ago that did not believe in Jesus... there was no bus to hit them back than lol
No dear.
But it is good to learn how to swim.
if you're worried about traffic accidents, why not check out the Drivers Handbook in your state regarding pedestrian laws..
speaking of pedestrian..
Possibly, in your case.
Sure......
heck, I haven't been hit by a bus yet.
I certainly hope not.
This is kind of a ridiculous question.
What happened to the people who were here before Jesus was?
Or the people that were around before buses?
No...oh no, here comes a bu.......screams blood everywhere.....crawl away a bloody mess lifts head ....yes.
Yes, it's happened to me a few times, I only died...
No, of course not.
This video has something to say about the subject
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OvdMeCQe鈥?/a>
Jehovah's Witnesses & Mormans are they the only two choices of true followers of Jesus ?
Acts 10:42 orders Christians to preach.
Mathew 4:19 Jesus wants fishers of men
Mark 6:7 Jesus sends his disiples out in groups of two to teach the word.
Mathew 24:14 Jesus said the good news will be preached before the end.
As far as Christian religion goes does his narrow down the choice of the truth between JW's %26amp; Mormans ?Jehovah's Witnesses %26amp; Mormans are they the only two choices of true followers of Jesus ?
If a person chooses to take that route for reasoning on this matter, I think I can narrow it down for you even further. In Mt 24 ,Jesus said that the ';good news of the Kingdom'; would be preached in the entire inhabited earth... 'the good news of the kingdom' is what Jehovah's Witnesses preach, but the Mormons preach the doctrines of the book of Mormon... and they have a hard time explaining what God's kingdom is (not a problem for the Witnesses)
If you break it down that way, it becomes basic math ;)Jehovah's Witnesses %26amp; Mormans are they the only two choices of true followers of Jesus ?
VAL W SAID
If a person chooses to take that route for reasoning on this matter, I think I can narrow it down for you even further. In Mt 24 ,Jesus said that the ';good news of the Kingdom'; would be preached in the entire inhabited earth... 'the good news of the kingdom' is what Jehovah's Witnesses preach, but the Mormons preach the doctrines of the book of Mormon... and they have a hard time explaining what God's kingdom is (not a problem for the Witnesses)
If you break it down that way, it becomes basic math ;)
4 hours ago
Val W
Basic math shows that the Jehovah's Witnesses have more books and magazines spoon fed to them in 6 months, than the whole book of Mormon. Winesses are no different than the Mormons, both relying on men control there every move. At least the Mormons believe in education. Research the JW's History. There is a reason why your not aloud to research outside your own publications, its call information control. If it wasnt for Math 24:14, the witnesses would be no different than any other group that isolates themselves from all civilization. Kinda like the Mormon fundies that just got busted, of course Jw's dont believe in polygamy though. The WT society has self appointed themselves based on math errors. 1914 being one major problem behind Watchtower beliefs. Also explain how the trumpet blasts of revelation are refering to a series of watchtower conventions early on the the JW history????
All those claiming to be Christians have a responsibility to preach:
(2 Timothy 4:2-5 in part) .聽.聽.PREACH THE WORD, BE AT IT URGENTLY in favorable season, in troublesome season, reprove, reprimand, exhort, with all long-suffering and [art of] teaching. .... You, though, keep your senses in all things, suffer evil, DO [THE] WORK OF AN EVANGELIZER, fully accomplish your ministry.聽.聽.
(Matthew 28:19-20 in part) .聽.聽.GO therefore and MAKE DISCIPLES of people of all the nations, ... 聽TEACHING THEM to observe all the things I have commanded YOU. .聽.聽.
(Luke 6:46) .聽.聽.鈥淲hy, then, do YOU call me 鈥楲ord! Lord!鈥?but DO NOT DO THE THINGS I SAY?.聽.聽.
(Matthew 7:21) 鈥淣ot everyone saying to me, 鈥楲ord, Lord,鈥?will enter into the kingdom of the heavens, but the one DOING THE WILL OF MY FATHER who is in the heavens will.聽.聽.
(1 Timothy 2:4) .聽.聽.whose will is that all sorts of men should be saved and COME TO AN ACCURATE KNOWLEDGE OF TRUTH..聽.聽.
While, these actions on their own don't certify a group as being Christian, certainly not doing as the Son of God instructed doesn't bode well for the others.
I am a Christian, one of Jehovah's Witnesses.
Certainly true Christians are obedient to Christ's commands, including the command to preach and teach God's word. Another important command was that they love one another. In fact, Jesus said love would a mark of his true disciples. (John 13:34-35)
Your question seems about right...
p.s. I just hate it when an LDS says JW's are a cult...so much for the LDS being loving people....BUT its just one person... I wont judge the whole group because of one idiotic reply...(breathe)
Psalm 68:11
';Jehovah himself gives the saying; The women telling the good news are a large army.';
I've only seen LDS men knocking on doors. Where are the women?
I have had a read through your questions %26amp; i must say you ask some unusual questions.
You are on the right track.
My question is to Spartan Philosophy , your 5 year old wife ? are you a Catholic preist ?
By the way falisrm said the JW's are a cult , i don't think he has looked to deeply into his faith , it foundations are on some far out words of a con man.
I am not a JW or morman.
No, its YOUR belief that is TRUE. There are many many sects of Christianity. They all believe that Jesus Christ is your savior. They teach his word. Isn't that enough? Do YOU believe that other sects of Christianity are wrong? Is there only ONE Denomination of Christianity that IS RIGHT?
good point
The church that Christ organized had apostles, prophets, and teachers.
1 Corinthians, Chapter 12
28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
It was run under the authority of the Melchizedek Priesthood (Hebrews 11).
The authority of God was evidenced by miracles.
Mark, Chapter 16
17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them: they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
This authority could not be bought.
Acts, Chapter 8
19 Saying, Give me also this power, that on whomsoever I lay hands, he may receive the Holy Ghost.
20 But Peter said unto him, Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money.
Nor could it be assumed.
Hebrews, Chapter 5
4 And no man taketh this honour unto himself, but he that is called of God, as was Aaron.
5 So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee.
6 As he saith also in another place, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
The Lord called missionaries and sent them out to prepare the way.
Luke, Chapter 10
1 After these things the Lord appointed other seventy also, and sent them two and two before his face into every city and place, whither he himself would come.
Baptism was a covenant that replaced the covenant of circumcision. It was done by immersion.
Collossians, Chapter 2
11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
Christ's church practiced vicarious batism for the dead.
1 Corinthians, Chapter 15
29 Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?
There is a church like this on the Earth today. It is the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.
P.S. - The classic test of a prophet is not an appeal to the scriptures - every prophet taught new things and corrected misunderstandings - the classic test of a prophet is the one taught by Christ.
A true follower of Christ does not reject prophets out of hand, or new prophecy. Christ never taught that God would permanently stop sending prophets. He intimated the opposite by explaining how to tell a true prophet from a false prophet.
Christ taught that true prophets bear good fruit. Paul contrasted the difference between bad fruit and good fruit:
';19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.'; Galatians 5
The true follower of Christ will believe what he has taught and look for the nurture of these Christian attributes to determine who is a true prophet and who is a false prophet. This is the prophetic test taught by Christ.
http://www.cbcg.org/who_what_true_christ鈥?/a>
http://www.lcg.org/cgi-bin/tw/booklets/t鈥?/a>
http://www.ucg.org/booklets/CJ/
A Christian follows Christ, His teachings, and the Holy Bible, no supplement needed. I am not JW or Mormon, and try to follow Christ' principles and read my Bible daily...I'm not understanding your perception unless you yourself are a JW or Mormon.
Hmm, interesting point. Have you further investigated these religions? I think that there would be something to be gained by further investigating them and talking to missionaries from each and then praying about it to know what is true. After all, we can reason through things all day but communication with God is the one and only way to know of things of God with a surety.
Neither one in my Opinion are doing Gods word,I am a Christian and I go by what the Bible says Not the Church it's self.
Uhm are you saying that the only two religions that are true are those two...nope...both of them have doctrines that contradict the bible...
One, theres no such thing, but, if you really must believe, this is the wrong attitude.
Yep, the polygamists and the door knockers - they've got it aaaalllll figured out.
I see birds swimming by me....
Are you delusional or just not very bright?
i would never compare myself with the JW. they are the only church in the world i would call a cult.
LDS Member
Are you serious? Get a grip on yourself and think about what you're saying. If someone leads a good and productive life, without hate or malice toward someone who has a different view than they do, then this person is noble no matter what god they worship or believe in.
Well it is good that you have read the bible-------now take the next step and repent of your sins-------Read only the bible and you won't go wrong!
Just another holier-than-thou, conceited follower. C'mon! Do you really believe that just one group of people (or two) has it all figured out? That is so arrogant!
My 5 year old wife agrees with you.
Of course she like all others of the cult she has been recruited into the religion by being born into it, nevermind that this country has freedom of religion, if you are born to a faithful family you do not get that choice, you are indoctrinated and brainwashed from birth and never know any different.love girls myspace
Mathew 4:19 Jesus wants fishers of men
Mark 6:7 Jesus sends his disiples out in groups of two to teach the word.
Mathew 24:14 Jesus said the good news will be preached before the end.
As far as Christian religion goes does his narrow down the choice of the truth between JW's %26amp; Mormans ?Jehovah's Witnesses %26amp; Mormans are they the only two choices of true followers of Jesus ?
If a person chooses to take that route for reasoning on this matter, I think I can narrow it down for you even further. In Mt 24 ,Jesus said that the ';good news of the Kingdom'; would be preached in the entire inhabited earth... 'the good news of the kingdom' is what Jehovah's Witnesses preach, but the Mormons preach the doctrines of the book of Mormon... and they have a hard time explaining what God's kingdom is (not a problem for the Witnesses)
If you break it down that way, it becomes basic math ;)Jehovah's Witnesses %26amp; Mormans are they the only two choices of true followers of Jesus ?
VAL W SAID
If a person chooses to take that route for reasoning on this matter, I think I can narrow it down for you even further. In Mt 24 ,Jesus said that the ';good news of the Kingdom'; would be preached in the entire inhabited earth... 'the good news of the kingdom' is what Jehovah's Witnesses preach, but the Mormons preach the doctrines of the book of Mormon... and they have a hard time explaining what God's kingdom is (not a problem for the Witnesses)
If you break it down that way, it becomes basic math ;)
4 hours ago
Val W
Basic math shows that the Jehovah's Witnesses have more books and magazines spoon fed to them in 6 months, than the whole book of Mormon. Winesses are no different than the Mormons, both relying on men control there every move. At least the Mormons believe in education. Research the JW's History. There is a reason why your not aloud to research outside your own publications, its call information control. If it wasnt for Math 24:14, the witnesses would be no different than any other group that isolates themselves from all civilization. Kinda like the Mormon fundies that just got busted, of course Jw's dont believe in polygamy though. The WT society has self appointed themselves based on math errors. 1914 being one major problem behind Watchtower beliefs. Also explain how the trumpet blasts of revelation are refering to a series of watchtower conventions early on the the JW history????
All those claiming to be Christians have a responsibility to preach:
(2 Timothy 4:2-5 in part) .聽.聽.PREACH THE WORD, BE AT IT URGENTLY in favorable season, in troublesome season, reprove, reprimand, exhort, with all long-suffering and [art of] teaching. .... You, though, keep your senses in all things, suffer evil, DO [THE] WORK OF AN EVANGELIZER, fully accomplish your ministry.聽.聽.
(Matthew 28:19-20 in part) .聽.聽.GO therefore and MAKE DISCIPLES of people of all the nations, ... 聽TEACHING THEM to observe all the things I have commanded YOU. .聽.聽.
(Luke 6:46) .聽.聽.鈥淲hy, then, do YOU call me 鈥楲ord! Lord!鈥?but DO NOT DO THE THINGS I SAY?.聽.聽.
(Matthew 7:21) 鈥淣ot everyone saying to me, 鈥楲ord, Lord,鈥?will enter into the kingdom of the heavens, but the one DOING THE WILL OF MY FATHER who is in the heavens will.聽.聽.
(1 Timothy 2:4) .聽.聽.whose will is that all sorts of men should be saved and COME TO AN ACCURATE KNOWLEDGE OF TRUTH..聽.聽.
While, these actions on their own don't certify a group as being Christian, certainly not doing as the Son of God instructed doesn't bode well for the others.
I am a Christian, one of Jehovah's Witnesses.
Certainly true Christians are obedient to Christ's commands, including the command to preach and teach God's word. Another important command was that they love one another. In fact, Jesus said love would a mark of his true disciples. (John 13:34-35)
Your question seems about right...
p.s. I just hate it when an LDS says JW's are a cult...so much for the LDS being loving people....BUT its just one person... I wont judge the whole group because of one idiotic reply...(breathe)
Psalm 68:11
';Jehovah himself gives the saying; The women telling the good news are a large army.';
I've only seen LDS men knocking on doors. Where are the women?
I have had a read through your questions %26amp; i must say you ask some unusual questions.
You are on the right track.
My question is to Spartan Philosophy , your 5 year old wife ? are you a Catholic preist ?
By the way falisrm said the JW's are a cult , i don't think he has looked to deeply into his faith , it foundations are on some far out words of a con man.
I am not a JW or morman.
No, its YOUR belief that is TRUE. There are many many sects of Christianity. They all believe that Jesus Christ is your savior. They teach his word. Isn't that enough? Do YOU believe that other sects of Christianity are wrong? Is there only ONE Denomination of Christianity that IS RIGHT?
good point
The church that Christ organized had apostles, prophets, and teachers.
1 Corinthians, Chapter 12
28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
It was run under the authority of the Melchizedek Priesthood (Hebrews 11).
The authority of God was evidenced by miracles.
Mark, Chapter 16
17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them: they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
This authority could not be bought.
Acts, Chapter 8
19 Saying, Give me also this power, that on whomsoever I lay hands, he may receive the Holy Ghost.
20 But Peter said unto him, Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money.
Nor could it be assumed.
Hebrews, Chapter 5
4 And no man taketh this honour unto himself, but he that is called of God, as was Aaron.
5 So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee.
6 As he saith also in another place, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
The Lord called missionaries and sent them out to prepare the way.
Luke, Chapter 10
1 After these things the Lord appointed other seventy also, and sent them two and two before his face into every city and place, whither he himself would come.
Baptism was a covenant that replaced the covenant of circumcision. It was done by immersion.
Collossians, Chapter 2
11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
Christ's church practiced vicarious batism for the dead.
1 Corinthians, Chapter 15
29 Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?
There is a church like this on the Earth today. It is the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.
P.S. - The classic test of a prophet is not an appeal to the scriptures - every prophet taught new things and corrected misunderstandings - the classic test of a prophet is the one taught by Christ.
A true follower of Christ does not reject prophets out of hand, or new prophecy. Christ never taught that God would permanently stop sending prophets. He intimated the opposite by explaining how to tell a true prophet from a false prophet.
Christ taught that true prophets bear good fruit. Paul contrasted the difference between bad fruit and good fruit:
';19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.'; Galatians 5
The true follower of Christ will believe what he has taught and look for the nurture of these Christian attributes to determine who is a true prophet and who is a false prophet. This is the prophetic test taught by Christ.
http://www.cbcg.org/who_what_true_christ鈥?/a>
http://www.lcg.org/cgi-bin/tw/booklets/t鈥?/a>
http://www.ucg.org/booklets/CJ/
A Christian follows Christ, His teachings, and the Holy Bible, no supplement needed. I am not JW or Mormon, and try to follow Christ' principles and read my Bible daily...I'm not understanding your perception unless you yourself are a JW or Mormon.
Hmm, interesting point. Have you further investigated these religions? I think that there would be something to be gained by further investigating them and talking to missionaries from each and then praying about it to know what is true. After all, we can reason through things all day but communication with God is the one and only way to know of things of God with a surety.
Neither one in my Opinion are doing Gods word,I am a Christian and I go by what the Bible says Not the Church it's self.
Uhm are you saying that the only two religions that are true are those two...nope...both of them have doctrines that contradict the bible...
One, theres no such thing, but, if you really must believe, this is the wrong attitude.
Yep, the polygamists and the door knockers - they've got it aaaalllll figured out.
I see birds swimming by me....
Are you delusional or just not very bright?
i would never compare myself with the JW. they are the only church in the world i would call a cult.
LDS Member
Are you serious? Get a grip on yourself and think about what you're saying. If someone leads a good and productive life, without hate or malice toward someone who has a different view than they do, then this person is noble no matter what god they worship or believe in.
Well it is good that you have read the bible-------now take the next step and repent of your sins-------Read only the bible and you won't go wrong!
Just another holier-than-thou, conceited follower. C'mon! Do you really believe that just one group of people (or two) has it all figured out? That is so arrogant!
My 5 year old wife agrees with you.
Of course she like all others of the cult she has been recruited into the religion by being born into it, nevermind that this country has freedom of religion, if you are born to a faithful family you do not get that choice, you are indoctrinated and brainwashed from birth and never know any different.
Why the Jews don't acknowledge Jesus as the true heir of David?
I'm not very good at Christianity history and I never understood this. I don't care about whose side is right, I just want to understand the reasons.Why the Jews don't acknowledge Jesus as the true heir of David?
Simply put... The Jews do not believe Jesus was the Messiah. PERIOD!!Why the Jews don't acknowledge Jesus as the true heir of David?
You're asking why people of a different religion believe in a different religion than yours.
It's called a tautology.
Why don't you believe in Zeus? or thousands of other gods?
Jews believe that Jesus didn't fulfill some of the prophesies required for the Messiah.
On of the main ones is Jesus' lineage. The Messiah must be a direct descendant of king David. Jesus, is claimed to be conceived by God, not Joseph, meaning he was not a decedent of Davids.
There are several others, and you can find them on many Jewish sites using your question in Google
In order for a person to truly be the Messiah promised by God, this person must fulfill roughly 300 prophesies that prove who he is. Simply put, the Jews do not believe Jesus fulfilled these prophesies. Messianic Jews (who believe Jesus is Messiah) and gentile Christians DO believe Jesus fulfilled all prophesy.
This is it in a nutshell.
EDIT: ';J.P.,'; you are incorrect. Only ONE genealogy is traced through Jeconiah: Joseph's (which is given in Matthew). This was given in order to prove that Joseph cannot be Jesus' physical father. This is also the reason why the virgin conception follows Matthew's genealogy of Joseph, because this shows God is Jesus' Father. Mary's genealogy (given in Luke) is COMPLETELY separate from Jeconiah.
http://www.jewsforjesus.org/publications鈥?/a>
Because Joseph was from the House of David, but Jesus was not from the house of David. To be from the House of David, he had to be the biological son of Joseph.
Their used to their religion.and don't wish for it to change.
you know how people or.the priests in Jesus time didnt want their people to recognize him or they would be put out of buisness.if the priests recognized him they would have to change .everyone would have to change .no one likes to have to change, to actually accept the spirit of God in them, have Love and faith.its not a part of their religion or their nature to do this, so they reject him.Its a human nature kind of thing.it take guts to change, it takes will power ,it takes a willingness to accept Gods will into the life of one who loves Christ.they simply dont wish to change.they don't have love in their hearts.look at what their doing to their neighbours in Israel.they kill a 1000 people for one or two Jews killed .they take peoples land. bulldoze their homes.shoot their children for throwing rocks.they murder .I hear their torturing children in the jails there,they or not chosen people.if their chosen people of God I don't want to have a thing to do with their God.I go with what Jesus said, to have love for our neighbours %26amp; ourselfs..to have true faith in God and to accept the spirit of God into us to guide us.
May God be with you.
Over time, the Jews got it in their heads that the Christ would set up a physical kingdom on earth just as David %26amp; Solomon had.
Furthermore, when Jesus claimed to be the Christ, he didn't seek the approval of nor cater to the High Priest, Sadducees %26amp; Pharisees (Jewish religious leaders). In fact Jesus criticized them.
Jesus was born in a very humble way and from lowly parents -- not fitting of a king.
After the Jewish leaders convinced the Romans to put Jesus to death and He was hung on the cross, it just solidified their belief that Jesus could not be the Christ because it He had been He would never have allowed the Romans to kill Him.
However, if they had really been searching %26amp; watching for the Christ, they would have recognized the signs. The fulfilled Isaiah prophesies from some 800 years priors were clear.
Jesus continuously taught that he was supposed to die and that he kingdom was not an earthly one, but a heavenly/spiritual one. Jesus explained this to Pilate in John 18 ...
35 Pilate answered, Am I a Jew? Thine own nation and the chief priests have delivered thee unto me: what hast thou done? 36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence. 37 Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.
What I find interesting is that there are even Christians today that are looking for Jesus to set up a physical kingdom. Was Jesus not clear in His words to Pilate ... I am a king and my kingdom is not of this world???
So either Jesus was a liar or He is the King over His spiritual kingdom. However, only people that believe the truth understands what Jesus said (end of verse 37).
However, not all of the Jews were unbelieving. The origins of Christianity were from the Jew first then from the Gentiles. After Jesus' death, in Acts chapter 2, thousands of Jews obeyed the Gospel and became Christians.
Hope this helps your understanding. Keep questioning, seeking the truth.
Think about it -- figure it out.
Well given that Joseph was from David's line (supposedly) and Jesus was not Joseph's son, there could be some estate problems there...
Why do people assume that the Messiah the Jewish people look for, and the Messiah they believe in aren't the same?
God doesn't change. But people do. Maybe Christ had to come back earlier to achieve some spiritual purpose. Just as Elijah already returned in the Time of Christ. And will come again as one of the Two Witnesses before the Great Day of The Lord!
The Messiah the Jewish people await ,and the Christ who will return in the Second Coming. Is the one who Will take control of this world, and install a peaceful government for a Time.
Please remember that there are lots of Jews (just like there
are lots of Christians) who don't take the Bible as the
word of God - but only a representation made by men.
Given that, it is possible to live with all of the inconsistancies,
scientific impossibilities etc.
Because Jesus never knew his daddy.
Well for one, they were expecting a conquering King that would re-establish their earthly independent kingdom. Secondly, if the NT is too be believed as accurate and infallible, Jesus is of royal descent but not the royal line, i.e. there would have been many others with a much stronger claim to the throne.
Just to explain a little clearer David's throne passed to Solomon and then to one of Solomon's sons, Jesus does not, according to either Matthew or Luke descend from this royal linage.
The claim that Jesus is descended from David isn't entirely supported, or even somewhat.
It's like those people that claim to be descended from the first people aboard the Mayflower. It can't be verified.
They don't believe he was the son of God. Just an ordenary guy spreading God's word. As for the whole Davids heir thing I have no idea what u are talking about. I was tought that Joseph his Dad was just a ordenary guy not related to any royalty.
because according to the bible, the messiah will rebuild the temple in jerusalem, bring back all the jews to israel, create everlasting world peace, destroy all weapons of war, cure all sickness and disabilities, bring every person in the world to know and believe in G-d, and a whole bunch of other things that jesus clearly did not do.
Because Jesus failed the prophecies required of HaMosiach.
Further, both geneologies shown in the NT pass through Jeconiah (one directly, one through Jeconiah's descendants), and Jeconiah was cursed that his descendants would never be Mosiach, let alone HaMosiach.
One geneology (that supposed to be of Joseph) has no genetic ties to a virgin-birth Jesus. The other passes from David through Nathan, when HaMosiach must be born of a line that passes from David through Solomon.
So, if we hold the geneologies to be true, and even if we grant Joseph's lineage despite the alleged 'virgin birth', Yshua bar-Ysef was genetically and geneologically ineligable of any claim of Mosiach or of HaMosiach.
The Jewish leaders or power brokers didn't. Rejected Moses as well. Martin Luther was rejected by Pope. Most jews of that day did accept Jesus...but the 'Dick Chenys' didn't.
';It's better that one man should die, than an entire nation perish.'; High Priest of Jews (about Rome)
Simply put... The Jews do not believe Jesus was the Messiah. PERIOD!!Why the Jews don't acknowledge Jesus as the true heir of David?
You're asking why people of a different religion believe in a different religion than yours.
It's called a tautology.
Why don't you believe in Zeus? or thousands of other gods?
Jews believe that Jesus didn't fulfill some of the prophesies required for the Messiah.
On of the main ones is Jesus' lineage. The Messiah must be a direct descendant of king David. Jesus, is claimed to be conceived by God, not Joseph, meaning he was not a decedent of Davids.
There are several others, and you can find them on many Jewish sites using your question in Google
In order for a person to truly be the Messiah promised by God, this person must fulfill roughly 300 prophesies that prove who he is. Simply put, the Jews do not believe Jesus fulfilled these prophesies. Messianic Jews (who believe Jesus is Messiah) and gentile Christians DO believe Jesus fulfilled all prophesy.
This is it in a nutshell.
EDIT: ';J.P.,'; you are incorrect. Only ONE genealogy is traced through Jeconiah: Joseph's (which is given in Matthew). This was given in order to prove that Joseph cannot be Jesus' physical father. This is also the reason why the virgin conception follows Matthew's genealogy of Joseph, because this shows God is Jesus' Father. Mary's genealogy (given in Luke) is COMPLETELY separate from Jeconiah.
http://www.jewsforjesus.org/publications鈥?/a>
Because Joseph was from the House of David, but Jesus was not from the house of David. To be from the House of David, he had to be the biological son of Joseph.
Their used to their religion.and don't wish for it to change.
you know how people or.the priests in Jesus time didnt want their people to recognize him or they would be put out of buisness.if the priests recognized him they would have to change .everyone would have to change .no one likes to have to change, to actually accept the spirit of God in them, have Love and faith.its not a part of their religion or their nature to do this, so they reject him.Its a human nature kind of thing.it take guts to change, it takes will power ,it takes a willingness to accept Gods will into the life of one who loves Christ.they simply dont wish to change.they don't have love in their hearts.look at what their doing to their neighbours in Israel.they kill a 1000 people for one or two Jews killed .they take peoples land. bulldoze their homes.shoot their children for throwing rocks.they murder .I hear their torturing children in the jails there,they or not chosen people.if their chosen people of God I don't want to have a thing to do with their God.I go with what Jesus said, to have love for our neighbours %26amp; ourselfs..to have true faith in God and to accept the spirit of God into us to guide us.
May God be with you.
Over time, the Jews got it in their heads that the Christ would set up a physical kingdom on earth just as David %26amp; Solomon had.
Furthermore, when Jesus claimed to be the Christ, he didn't seek the approval of nor cater to the High Priest, Sadducees %26amp; Pharisees (Jewish religious leaders). In fact Jesus criticized them.
Jesus was born in a very humble way and from lowly parents -- not fitting of a king.
After the Jewish leaders convinced the Romans to put Jesus to death and He was hung on the cross, it just solidified their belief that Jesus could not be the Christ because it He had been He would never have allowed the Romans to kill Him.
However, if they had really been searching %26amp; watching for the Christ, they would have recognized the signs. The fulfilled Isaiah prophesies from some 800 years priors were clear.
Jesus continuously taught that he was supposed to die and that he kingdom was not an earthly one, but a heavenly/spiritual one. Jesus explained this to Pilate in John 18 ...
35 Pilate answered, Am I a Jew? Thine own nation and the chief priests have delivered thee unto me: what hast thou done? 36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence. 37 Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.
What I find interesting is that there are even Christians today that are looking for Jesus to set up a physical kingdom. Was Jesus not clear in His words to Pilate ... I am a king and my kingdom is not of this world???
So either Jesus was a liar or He is the King over His spiritual kingdom. However, only people that believe the truth understands what Jesus said (end of verse 37).
However, not all of the Jews were unbelieving. The origins of Christianity were from the Jew first then from the Gentiles. After Jesus' death, in Acts chapter 2, thousands of Jews obeyed the Gospel and became Christians.
Hope this helps your understanding. Keep questioning, seeking the truth.
Think about it -- figure it out.
Well given that Joseph was from David's line (supposedly) and Jesus was not Joseph's son, there could be some estate problems there...
Why do people assume that the Messiah the Jewish people look for, and the Messiah they believe in aren't the same?
God doesn't change. But people do. Maybe Christ had to come back earlier to achieve some spiritual purpose. Just as Elijah already returned in the Time of Christ. And will come again as one of the Two Witnesses before the Great Day of The Lord!
The Messiah the Jewish people await ,and the Christ who will return in the Second Coming. Is the one who Will take control of this world, and install a peaceful government for a Time.
Please remember that there are lots of Jews (just like there
are lots of Christians) who don't take the Bible as the
word of God - but only a representation made by men.
Given that, it is possible to live with all of the inconsistancies,
scientific impossibilities etc.
Because Jesus never knew his daddy.
Well for one, they were expecting a conquering King that would re-establish their earthly independent kingdom. Secondly, if the NT is too be believed as accurate and infallible, Jesus is of royal descent but not the royal line, i.e. there would have been many others with a much stronger claim to the throne.
Just to explain a little clearer David's throne passed to Solomon and then to one of Solomon's sons, Jesus does not, according to either Matthew or Luke descend from this royal linage.
The claim that Jesus is descended from David isn't entirely supported, or even somewhat.
It's like those people that claim to be descended from the first people aboard the Mayflower. It can't be verified.
They don't believe he was the son of God. Just an ordenary guy spreading God's word. As for the whole Davids heir thing I have no idea what u are talking about. I was tought that Joseph his Dad was just a ordenary guy not related to any royalty.
because according to the bible, the messiah will rebuild the temple in jerusalem, bring back all the jews to israel, create everlasting world peace, destroy all weapons of war, cure all sickness and disabilities, bring every person in the world to know and believe in G-d, and a whole bunch of other things that jesus clearly did not do.
Because Jesus failed the prophecies required of HaMosiach.
Further, both geneologies shown in the NT pass through Jeconiah (one directly, one through Jeconiah's descendants), and Jeconiah was cursed that his descendants would never be Mosiach, let alone HaMosiach.
One geneology (that supposed to be of Joseph) has no genetic ties to a virgin-birth Jesus. The other passes from David through Nathan, when HaMosiach must be born of a line that passes from David through Solomon.
So, if we hold the geneologies to be true, and even if we grant Joseph's lineage despite the alleged 'virgin birth', Yshua bar-Ysef was genetically and geneologically ineligable of any claim of Mosiach or of HaMosiach.
The Jewish leaders or power brokers didn't. Rejected Moses as well. Martin Luther was rejected by Pope. Most jews of that day did accept Jesus...but the 'Dick Chenys' didn't.
';It's better that one man should die, than an entire nation perish.'; High Priest of Jews (about Rome)
Did Jesus grew up reading the scripture, and just made it come true by his action?
No. Yeshua grew up knowing, living and teaching Torah. It came true because He truly is God incarnate (in the flesh).
YehudiDid Jesus grew up reading the scripture, and just made it come true by his action?
Jesus didn't make anything come true by his actions....he didn't fulfill anything prophesied in scripture, and he never claimed to have done so.
Yes. He did grow up reading the Torah, as have all Jewish boys, throughout history. And he showed, at an early age, a great understanding of the basic and deep meaning of the Scripture. Which is why he never claimed to have fulfilled anything. Near as I can figure, the only thing that he fulfilled was the prophecy that the Messiah would enter Jerusalem riding a white donkey, and even that is suspect. It doesn't mean much, really, in the grand scheme of things, does it? Many people entered Jerusalem on donkeys, and I'm sure several of them were white.Did Jesus grew up reading the scripture, and just made it come true by his action?
Jesus did read the OT. Esp, the book of Isaiah. He also tells us to read the scriptures too. (OT)
Luke 4 v 17 And He was handed the book of the prophet Isaiah. And when He had opened the book, He found the place where it was written:
18 “The Spirit of the Lord is upon Me, Because He has anointed Me To preach the gospel to the poor; He has sent Me to heal the brokenhearted, To proclaim liberty to the captives And recovery of sight to the blind, To set at liberty those who are oppressed;
19 To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord.”
20Then He closed the book, and gave it back to the attendant and sat down. And the eyes of all who were in the synagogue were fixed on Him.
21And He began to say to them, “Today this Scripture is fulfilled in your hearing.”
Isaiah is a book that is mentioned alot in the NT.
Plus, Jesus is not God like some of you stated. Do your research.
No. Only the rabbis kept the scrolls in the Synagogues during Jesus' earthly ministry because they are precious things that needed to be protected. You had to go to school and be trained by the Rabbis to get your hands on the Old Testament. Regular children were taught at home by their parents and passed on the teachings they received from their Synagogue.
Jewish people could not walk down to a Jewish Bookstore and buy a copy of the Old Testament. Only the religious leaders, kings, and the very affluent owned copies of the Old Testament scrolls in Jesus' day.
There are a ton of prophecies that relate to when he was born, who he was born to, where he was born, where he grew up, etc. So while you could claim that he intentionally did things to fulfill prophecy, I'm not sure how you deal with the ones fulfilled by his birth or early childhood.
That makes no sense, from at least two angles.
1) All the false messiahs (even the wildly popular ones) ended up failing for that very reason. They couldn't produce even the necessary genealogical background since the Temple had fallen.
2) But doesn't your question necessarily involve that the prophecies themselves were faked, not just the fulfillment. Think about it.
Now, if you come to your senses and say, What would a flat-out genius philosopher (even Nobel Prize winner) Jew say about Jesus -- Aaah, then we have hope :
Read
Seven Jewish Philosophers Discover Christ, by John M. Oesterreicher
Jesus grew %26amp; learned just as any ';divine'; mortal would do.... and Yes He studied, learned %26amp; taught from the scriptures as well %26lt; He said He was ';about my Father's business'; in the temple%26gt; At some point in that growing, learning, progressing process of His young life His mission had to be CLEAR to Him and He knew HE was the fulfillment of those scriptures in many ways....
(Hosea 11:1) “When Israel was a boy, then I loved him, and out of Egypt I called my son.
Matthew 2:13-15(Matthew 2:13-15) After they had withdrawn, look! Jehovah’s angel appeared in a dream to Joseph, saying: “Get up, take the young child and its mother and flee into Egypt, and stay there until I give you word; for Herod is about to search for the young child to destroy it.” 14 So he got up and took along the young child and its mother by night and withdrew into Egypt, 15 and he stayed there until the decease of Herod, for that to be fulfilled which was spoken by Jehovah through his prophet, saying: “Out of Egypt I called my son.”
(Isaiah 11:1-2) And there must go forth a twig out of the stump of Jes′se; and out of his roots a sprout will be fruitful.
(Micah 5:2) “And you, O Beth′le‧hem Eph′ra‧thah, the one too little to get to be among the thousands of Judah, from you there will come out to me the one who is to become ruler in Israel, whose origin is from early times, from the days of time indefinite.
Things that Jesus could not have planned were these prophecies,being born in Bethlehem,being called out of Egypt when all the children were slaughtered by Herod.Being in the line of Jesse and David he was the sacrificial lamb of God.When the lamb was offered as sacrifice the order was not a bone was to be broken.Jesus died during passover as a sacrificial lamb once and for all times to take away the sin of the world.When the soldiers came to break his legs on the torture stake as was customary he had already died fulfilling the prophecy not a bone of his would be broken.
(Psalm 34:20) He is guarding all the bones of that one; Not one of them has been broken.(John 19:31-36) Then the Jews, since it was Preparation, in order that the bodies might not remain upon the torture stakes on the Sabbath, (for the day of that Sabbath was a great one,) requested Pilate to have their legs broken and the [bodies] taken away. 32 The soldiers came, therefore, and broke the legs of the first [man] and those of the other [man] that had been impaled with him. 33 But on coming to Jesus, as they saw that he was already dead, they did not break his legs. 34 Yet one of the soldiers jabbed his side with a spear, and immediately blood and water came out. 35 And he that has seen [it] has borne witness, and his witness is true, and that man knows he tells true things, in order that YOU also may believe. 36 In fact, these things took place in order for the scripture to be fulfilled: “Not a bone of his will be crushed.”
(Isaiah 53:5) But he was being pierced for our transgression; The chastisement meant for our peace was upon him, and because of his wounds there has been a healing for us.
Note the prophecy he would be pierced no others that day were pierced in their sides only he.(Luke 2:34) Also, Sim′e‧on blessed them, but said to Mary his mother: “Look! This one is laid for the fall and the rising again of many in Israel and for a sign to be talked against35 yes, a long sword will be run through the soul of you yourself), in order that the reasonings of many hearts may be uncovered.”
This was a prohecy given Mary when Jesus was a baby speaking of his death,she did not fully understand it until it happened.
(Isaiah 53:9) And he will make his burial place even with the wicked ones, and with the rich class in his death, despite the fact that he had done no violence and there was no deception in his mouth.
(Matthew 27:57-60) Now as it was late in the afternoon, there came a rich man of Ar‧i‧ma‧the′a, named Joseph, who had also himself become a disciple of Jesus. 58 This man went up to Pilate and asked for the body of Jesus. Then Pilate commanded it to be given over. 59 And Joseph took the body, wrapped it up in clean fine linen, 60 and laid it in his new memorial tomb, which he had quarried in the rock-mass. And, after rolling a big stone to the door of the memorial tomb, he left.
No one could have pre-planned these things not even his family so that all the scriptures and prophecies could be fulfilled thru him.
There are dozens more if you research them. (Luke 4:16-19) And he came to Naz′a‧reth, where he had been reared; and, according to his custom on the sabbath day, he entered into the synagogue, and he stood up to read. 17 So the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed him, and he opened the scroll and found the place where it was written: 18 “Jehovah’s spirit is upon me, because he anointed me to declare good news to the poor, he sent me forth to preach a release to the captives and a recovery of sight to the blind, to send the crushed ones away with a release, 19 to preach Jehovah’s acceptable year.”Jesus had access to the scrolls and always gave the answer it is written,bu in no way would it have been possible to fulfill the things just mentioned.
Learn more at http://www.jw.org/
Jesus knew scripture. and he fulfilled it.
Jews had a custom of having there children read the entire old testament and have it memorized word by word by the age of 12.
He was led of the holy Spirit to fulfill all OT prophecies...including dying on the cross.
Of course, you unbelievers are not able to see this...
';IF OUR GOSPEL BE HID, IT IS HID TO THEM THAT ARE LOST, IN WHOM THE GOD OF THIS WORLD HAS BLINDED THE MNDS OF THEM THAT BELIEVE NOT....';(2Corin.4:3)
Jesus was Jewish. He would have grown up reading, or at least familiar with, the Torah (the first five books of the Christian Old Testament).
The New Testament was written starting 70 years after his death.
As a young child Jesus studied scripture at the Synagogue and amazed the Scholars there with his knowledge and wisdom. Jesus led us by example throughout the Bible to be like him.
jesus would have studied the old testament as this was the jewish history book of their relationship with god.
You would have to say he got the Jews and Romans to kill him just to make something written happen, not likely.
no
did he heal a blind man or raise a person from the dead just by reading the scriptures?
I do not believe so.
Why would JESUS need to read what he himself wrote.
He created it -- and demonstrated His word... to teach us His ways. I don't think He had to read it.... He was Omniscient!
According to the work of fiction known as the bible, Jesus was raised as a Jew, and Jews of that time would have been taught the Torah, or our version of the old testament. The fictitious work called the new testament was not written by man until well after the fictitious death of the fictitious character Jesus.
Yes, they learned to read and write with them. It was done daily in the home.
In the day of Jesus, though there were Hebrew or Aramaic copies of the scripture in usage, the Old Testament of the people, the one used generally, the one quoted by Jesus and Paul and the New Testament authors, was the Septuagint. This Greek version of Holy Writ-commonly referred to as the LXX, because according to tradition it had been translated from Hebrew into Greek by about seventy scholars-was by no means a perfect reflection of the mind and will of Him from whom scripture comes. It contained all of our present Old Testament, plus many apocryphal books, and much license had been taken by the translators. It was completed more than two hundred years before the Christian era, and many of its passages contained gross mistakes while others presented clarifications of the Hebrew originals. Edersheim says that the ';free handling of the text'; by Hellenistic translators resulted in ';a strenuous effort . . . to banish all anthropomorphisms, as inconsistent with their ideas of Deity.'; (Edersheim 1:28.)
He certainly did, if you believe the Gospel writers. He unequivocaly tells them to go to a particular house to find a donkey (bloody censorship! It says A*S*S in the Bible) for him to ride into Jerusalem ';so that the prophecy might be fulfilled';... and if he said that, I bet he arranged for the donkey to be there ready beforehand.
Actually he did not fulfill any prophecy. Far from it. By no means were the Jews expecting a poor peasant to be executed like a criminal. That's not what the scriptures foretold at all.
You can thank Paul for conveniently forgetting all that.
We can't be sure. He didn't keep a diary.
However, we know that he was a devout Jew so I would say that yes he read the scripture. Now if he did things to make it come true, I don't know.
No, Jesus did not grew up reading the scripture. He was a Jew and read Torah. New Testament was written way after and included some of the Gospels.
yes..obviously..but a christian fundamentalist would not agree..since it was a suicide mission..
We really don't know what his education was. It would answer a lot of questions if we did.
I think?
You got it!
He is the ONLY ONE who could.
Nice pick-up.
YehudiDid Jesus grew up reading the scripture, and just made it come true by his action?
Jesus didn't make anything come true by his actions....he didn't fulfill anything prophesied in scripture, and he never claimed to have done so.
Yes. He did grow up reading the Torah, as have all Jewish boys, throughout history. And he showed, at an early age, a great understanding of the basic and deep meaning of the Scripture. Which is why he never claimed to have fulfilled anything. Near as I can figure, the only thing that he fulfilled was the prophecy that the Messiah would enter Jerusalem riding a white donkey, and even that is suspect. It doesn't mean much, really, in the grand scheme of things, does it? Many people entered Jerusalem on donkeys, and I'm sure several of them were white.Did Jesus grew up reading the scripture, and just made it come true by his action?
Jesus did read the OT. Esp, the book of Isaiah. He also tells us to read the scriptures too. (OT)
Luke 4 v 17 And He was handed the book of the prophet Isaiah. And when He had opened the book, He found the place where it was written:
18 “The Spirit of the Lord is upon Me, Because He has anointed Me To preach the gospel to the poor; He has sent Me to heal the brokenhearted, To proclaim liberty to the captives And recovery of sight to the blind, To set at liberty those who are oppressed;
19 To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord.”
20Then He closed the book, and gave it back to the attendant and sat down. And the eyes of all who were in the synagogue were fixed on Him.
21And He began to say to them, “Today this Scripture is fulfilled in your hearing.”
Isaiah is a book that is mentioned alot in the NT.
Plus, Jesus is not God like some of you stated. Do your research.
No. Only the rabbis kept the scrolls in the Synagogues during Jesus' earthly ministry because they are precious things that needed to be protected. You had to go to school and be trained by the Rabbis to get your hands on the Old Testament. Regular children were taught at home by their parents and passed on the teachings they received from their Synagogue.
Jewish people could not walk down to a Jewish Bookstore and buy a copy of the Old Testament. Only the religious leaders, kings, and the very affluent owned copies of the Old Testament scrolls in Jesus' day.
There are a ton of prophecies that relate to when he was born, who he was born to, where he was born, where he grew up, etc. So while you could claim that he intentionally did things to fulfill prophecy, I'm not sure how you deal with the ones fulfilled by his birth or early childhood.
That makes no sense, from at least two angles.
1) All the false messiahs (even the wildly popular ones) ended up failing for that very reason. They couldn't produce even the necessary genealogical background since the Temple had fallen.
2) But doesn't your question necessarily involve that the prophecies themselves were faked, not just the fulfillment. Think about it.
Now, if you come to your senses and say, What would a flat-out genius philosopher (even Nobel Prize winner) Jew say about Jesus -- Aaah, then we have hope :
Read
Seven Jewish Philosophers Discover Christ, by John M. Oesterreicher
Jesus grew %26amp; learned just as any ';divine'; mortal would do.... and Yes He studied, learned %26amp; taught from the scriptures as well %26lt; He said He was ';about my Father's business'; in the temple%26gt; At some point in that growing, learning, progressing process of His young life His mission had to be CLEAR to Him and He knew HE was the fulfillment of those scriptures in many ways....
(Hosea 11:1) “When Israel was a boy, then I loved him, and out of Egypt I called my son.
Matthew 2:13-15(Matthew 2:13-15) After they had withdrawn, look! Jehovah’s angel appeared in a dream to Joseph, saying: “Get up, take the young child and its mother and flee into Egypt, and stay there until I give you word; for Herod is about to search for the young child to destroy it.” 14 So he got up and took along the young child and its mother by night and withdrew into Egypt, 15 and he stayed there until the decease of Herod, for that to be fulfilled which was spoken by Jehovah through his prophet, saying: “Out of Egypt I called my son.”
(Isaiah 11:1-2) And there must go forth a twig out of the stump of Jes′se; and out of his roots a sprout will be fruitful.
(Micah 5:2) “And you, O Beth′le‧hem Eph′ra‧thah, the one too little to get to be among the thousands of Judah, from you there will come out to me the one who is to become ruler in Israel, whose origin is from early times, from the days of time indefinite.
Things that Jesus could not have planned were these prophecies,being born in Bethlehem,being called out of Egypt when all the children were slaughtered by Herod.Being in the line of Jesse and David he was the sacrificial lamb of God.When the lamb was offered as sacrifice the order was not a bone was to be broken.Jesus died during passover as a sacrificial lamb once and for all times to take away the sin of the world.When the soldiers came to break his legs on the torture stake as was customary he had already died fulfilling the prophecy not a bone of his would be broken.
(Psalm 34:20) He is guarding all the bones of that one; Not one of them has been broken.(John 19:31-36) Then the Jews, since it was Preparation, in order that the bodies might not remain upon the torture stakes on the Sabbath, (for the day of that Sabbath was a great one,) requested Pilate to have their legs broken and the [bodies] taken away. 32 The soldiers came, therefore, and broke the legs of the first [man] and those of the other [man] that had been impaled with him. 33 But on coming to Jesus, as they saw that he was already dead, they did not break his legs. 34 Yet one of the soldiers jabbed his side with a spear, and immediately blood and water came out. 35 And he that has seen [it] has borne witness, and his witness is true, and that man knows he tells true things, in order that YOU also may believe. 36 In fact, these things took place in order for the scripture to be fulfilled: “Not a bone of his will be crushed.”
(Isaiah 53:5) But he was being pierced for our transgression; The chastisement meant for our peace was upon him, and because of his wounds there has been a healing for us.
Note the prophecy he would be pierced no others that day were pierced in their sides only he.(Luke 2:34) Also, Sim′e‧on blessed them, but said to Mary his mother: “Look! This one is laid for the fall and the rising again of many in Israel and for a sign to be talked against35 yes, a long sword will be run through the soul of you yourself), in order that the reasonings of many hearts may be uncovered.”
This was a prohecy given Mary when Jesus was a baby speaking of his death,she did not fully understand it until it happened.
(Isaiah 53:9) And he will make his burial place even with the wicked ones, and with the rich class in his death, despite the fact that he had done no violence and there was no deception in his mouth.
(Matthew 27:57-60) Now as it was late in the afternoon, there came a rich man of Ar‧i‧ma‧the′a, named Joseph, who had also himself become a disciple of Jesus. 58 This man went up to Pilate and asked for the body of Jesus. Then Pilate commanded it to be given over. 59 And Joseph took the body, wrapped it up in clean fine linen, 60 and laid it in his new memorial tomb, which he had quarried in the rock-mass. And, after rolling a big stone to the door of the memorial tomb, he left.
No one could have pre-planned these things not even his family so that all the scriptures and prophecies could be fulfilled thru him.
There are dozens more if you research them. (Luke 4:16-19) And he came to Naz′a‧reth, where he had been reared; and, according to his custom on the sabbath day, he entered into the synagogue, and he stood up to read. 17 So the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed him, and he opened the scroll and found the place where it was written: 18 “Jehovah’s spirit is upon me, because he anointed me to declare good news to the poor, he sent me forth to preach a release to the captives and a recovery of sight to the blind, to send the crushed ones away with a release, 19 to preach Jehovah’s acceptable year.”Jesus had access to the scrolls and always gave the answer it is written,bu in no way would it have been possible to fulfill the things just mentioned.
Learn more at http://www.jw.org/
Jesus knew scripture. and he fulfilled it.
Jews had a custom of having there children read the entire old testament and have it memorized word by word by the age of 12.
He was led of the holy Spirit to fulfill all OT prophecies...including dying on the cross.
Of course, you unbelievers are not able to see this...
';IF OUR GOSPEL BE HID, IT IS HID TO THEM THAT ARE LOST, IN WHOM THE GOD OF THIS WORLD HAS BLINDED THE MNDS OF THEM THAT BELIEVE NOT....';(2Corin.4:3)
Jesus was Jewish. He would have grown up reading, or at least familiar with, the Torah (the first five books of the Christian Old Testament).
The New Testament was written starting 70 years after his death.
As a young child Jesus studied scripture at the Synagogue and amazed the Scholars there with his knowledge and wisdom. Jesus led us by example throughout the Bible to be like him.
jesus would have studied the old testament as this was the jewish history book of their relationship with god.
You would have to say he got the Jews and Romans to kill him just to make something written happen, not likely.
no
did he heal a blind man or raise a person from the dead just by reading the scriptures?
I do not believe so.
Why would JESUS need to read what he himself wrote.
He created it -- and demonstrated His word... to teach us His ways. I don't think He had to read it.... He was Omniscient!
According to the work of fiction known as the bible, Jesus was raised as a Jew, and Jews of that time would have been taught the Torah, or our version of the old testament. The fictitious work called the new testament was not written by man until well after the fictitious death of the fictitious character Jesus.
Yes, they learned to read and write with them. It was done daily in the home.
In the day of Jesus, though there were Hebrew or Aramaic copies of the scripture in usage, the Old Testament of the people, the one used generally, the one quoted by Jesus and Paul and the New Testament authors, was the Septuagint. This Greek version of Holy Writ-commonly referred to as the LXX, because according to tradition it had been translated from Hebrew into Greek by about seventy scholars-was by no means a perfect reflection of the mind and will of Him from whom scripture comes. It contained all of our present Old Testament, plus many apocryphal books, and much license had been taken by the translators. It was completed more than two hundred years before the Christian era, and many of its passages contained gross mistakes while others presented clarifications of the Hebrew originals. Edersheim says that the ';free handling of the text'; by Hellenistic translators resulted in ';a strenuous effort . . . to banish all anthropomorphisms, as inconsistent with their ideas of Deity.'; (Edersheim 1:28.)
He certainly did, if you believe the Gospel writers. He unequivocaly tells them to go to a particular house to find a donkey (bloody censorship! It says A*S*S in the Bible) for him to ride into Jerusalem ';so that the prophecy might be fulfilled';... and if he said that, I bet he arranged for the donkey to be there ready beforehand.
Actually he did not fulfill any prophecy. Far from it. By no means were the Jews expecting a poor peasant to be executed like a criminal. That's not what the scriptures foretold at all.
You can thank Paul for conveniently forgetting all that.
We can't be sure. He didn't keep a diary.
However, we know that he was a devout Jew so I would say that yes he read the scripture. Now if he did things to make it come true, I don't know.
No, Jesus did not grew up reading the scripture. He was a Jew and read Torah. New Testament was written way after and included some of the Gospels.
yes..obviously..but a christian fundamentalist would not agree..since it was a suicide mission..
We really don't know what his education was. It would answer a lot of questions if we did.
I think?
You got it!
He is the ONLY ONE who could.
Nice pick-up.
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