If Jesus was the same God as the Father is, why would Jesus lie by saying his Father is ';the only true God';?

John 17:13


I was told by a person that Jesus certainly did NOT say :'; My Father AND I are the only true God. ';





How would you explain this misunderstanding of the Scripture to the person?If Jesus was the same God as the Father is, why would Jesus lie by saying his Father is ';the only true God';?
There is only one true God, the creator of heaven and earth. From the very start of the Bible to its close, this truth is proclaimed with no ambiguity. The Father is the only true God, as Jesus stated in John 17:3. Remember that in this verse Jesus was praying to his Father just before the horror of Gethsemane and the cross enveloped him. The disciples were present to hear his massive prayer. He was praying for himself at that point. Then he prayed for his disciples, then for all future believers. So his disciples heard him pray, ';You [God] granted him [Jesus] authority over all people that he [Jesus] might give eternal life to all those you have given him.'; (vs 2)





Only God can give life to people! There are not two gods in operation, both with power to give life! That goes against everything the Bible teaches! The writer, however, was the writer who stated that Jesus was the Word of God, who was with God in the beginning, and who WAS God! Further, that through the Word, all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. In him was life.'; (1:1-3). The writer knew that Jesus is the Creator.





Further, this Jesus told the writer and the other apostles that they must honour the Son just as they honour the Father. He who does not honour the Son does not honour the Father who sent him. To obey the Son is to obey the Father. To adore the Son is to adore the Father. They are not at odds - they are one! The Son has life in himself - the life of God, the same God as the Father. (5:22-30) It is no use picking one verse out of this entire gospel of John's! Read the whole gospel and fall down on your knees!If Jesus was the same God as the Father is, why would Jesus lie by saying his Father is ';the only true God';?
This is John 17:13








';13';I am coming to you now, but I say these things while I am still in the world, so that they may have the full measure of my joy within them.';





May I ask what scripture are you reviewing?








What you might be referring to is ';I am in the Father, and The Father is in me';





John 14:10


Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you are not just my own. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work.
Jesus, God, and the Holy Spirit...are the three ';persons'; of God. God takes three forms in the way that we understand things...The Father, Son, and Spirit to help believers in different ways.





Because man could not live up to the law handed to man through Moses by God, it ultimately took God taking the form as His Son to come into the world, walk the walk of a man and die sinless to finally absolve us from the power of sin.





Once we believe, the Holy Spirit endwells us so that we can know and experience God in our daily lives.





It is hard for the human mind to comprehend something being three things all at once, but it does not negate God being in three persons simply because we cannot understand it. How could we begin to understand someone that is All-powerful and All-knowing when we are neither?
Well, I think He said He was one with the Father.





But, of course He was modelling the perfect human behaviour, so acting in the right relationship to God a human should have; so laying aside His powers, and working with and through the Holy Spirit as we are meant to.





But this is difficult to explain, as its a complex reality - humans love simplicity. Of course as a believer one doesn't trouble oneself too much, but various sects try to pull people out of standard christian belief by drawing attention to apparent illogicalities.





It might be better though if you know what shift-set of christianity they are in. As it seems that to teach contrary to the traditional understanding of Christ, requires that such teaching deviate in ways that plain contradict the Bible.


Eg Jehovah's Witnesses say Jesus was Archangel Michael, but Hebrews 1 says firmly he isn't an angel.


Eg Mormons (LDS) say Jesus was spirit brother of Lucifer.
Jesus didn't lie. He said his Father is the only true God. (John 17:3) Jesus called himself the Son of God. (John 10:36)





It is true that Jesus did NOT say that he and his Father were the only true God. To quote Jesus, he said: ';And this is the way to have eternal life鈥攖o know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, the one you sent to earth.'; Do you see anything in this verse where Jesus included himself as being the true God along with his Father? NO!





Even Paul agreed that the Father was the only one God. At 1 Cor. 8:6, he said: ';But we know that there is only one God, the Father, who created everything.';





So, if the Father is the ';only true God ';or the ';only one God,'; what does that spell for the trinity doctrine? That makes it a bold faced lie!





BTW, WHERE in the Bible does it say Jesus is the same God as the Father? NOWHERE!
There is only one God (Deu. 6:4). That God is our father (Malachi 2:10). If Jesus is that God (1 Timothy 3:16) then Jesus is our father. As to his deity, Jesus Christ is God the Father. Isaiah 9:6 clearly calls him the Father. Some have argued that this should be translated ';Father of Eternity,'; but not one major translation translates it that way. However, even if we adopt the translation ';Father of Eternity'; does that diminish the force? Jesus is STILL called the Father. I Corinthians 8:6 tells us that, ';to us there is but one God, the Father.'; There is no God outside of the Father. So in the sense that Jesus is that God, then Jesus is the Father. Malachi 2:10 asks the question ';Have we not all one Father? hath not one God created us?'; So we all have one Father, and our Father is God. The reason we call God our Father is because he created us. John 1:3, Colossians 1:16 and Hebrews 1:2 tell us that all things were created by Jesus, thereby making him our Father.


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While Jesus was both God and man at the same time, sometimes He acted from the human viewpoint; and sometimes from the divine viewpoint. As Father, He sometimes spoke from His divine self-consciousness; as Son He sometimes spoke from His human self-consciousness.
MEN decided that Jesus was God via council. They did so through popular interpretation of both the Old and New Testaments.


You are correct, Jesus is not recorded as having said this.