Wednesday, February 10, 2010

Matthew 6:9 if the trinity is true why did Jesus taught the people how to pray?

Why did he said. ';This is how you pray: Our Father thou art in heaven.';





Why not Our Father, Son and Holy Spirit?





Why only the Father in this model prayer?Matthew 6:9 if the trinity is true why did Jesus taught the people how to pray?
Because only the Father is the True God.





It ties in with Matthew 4:8-10





(Matthew 4:8-10) . . .Again the Devil took him along to an unusually high mountain, and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory, 9 and he said to him: “All these things I will give you if you fall down and do an act of worship to me.” 10 Then Jesus said to him: “Go away, Satan! For it is written, ‘It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.





If Jesus was God how could Satan offer him anything he possessed as a temptation? Further God cannot be tempted.





James 1:13 When under trial, let no one say: “I am being tried by God.” For with evil things God cannot be tried nor does he himself try anyone.Matthew 6:9 if the trinity is true why did Jesus taught the people how to pray?
Right on! And why did He pray to His Father in Gethsemane, and plead with Him while on the cross. They are, without a doubt, 2 separate, distinct beings, and the Holy Spirit is separate also.


And, by the way, believing in Christ is the criteria for being ';Christian';, not believing in the ';trinity';.
The Trinity is a pagan ideal. The actual root of the concept of a trinity goes back to the penis and two testicles . . . SERIOUSLY! It is the basis of the children of the devil's so called 'eternal life'. They supposedly live on through their offspring, therefore the trinity is venerated, the symbol of which is PHALLIC.
I don't believe in the trinity. Think about it this way....The Holy Scriptures tell us the personal name of the Father—Jehovah. They inform us that the Son is Jesus Christ. But nowhere in the Scriptures is a personal name applied to the holy spirit.





Acts 7:55, 56 reports that Stephen was given a vision of heaven in which he saw “Jesus standing at God’s right hand.” But he made no mention of seeing the holy spirit. (See also Revelation 7:10; 22:1, 3.).





Matt. 26:39, RS: “Going a little farther he [Jesus Christ] fell on his face and prayed, ‘My Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as thou wilt.’” (If the Father and the Son were not distinct individuals, such a prayer would have been meaningless. Jesus would have been praying to himself, and his will would of necessity have been the Father’s will.)





John 8:17, 18, RS: “[Jesus answered the Jewish Pharisees:] In your law it is written that the testimony of two men is true; I bear witness to myself, and the Father who sent me bears witness to me.” (So, Jesus definitely spoke of himself as being an individual separate and distinct from the Father.)
God is above all of these. Without God the father,the other two would not be.
These answers are hilarious.
Why can't God teach people how to pray?


What's wrong with teaching people how to pray?
Because God has MANY titles, they are ALL God. His point was NOT to give them a lesson on the trinity or the connection between God the Father, the Holy Spirit, and God the Son.





You probably don't believe in the trinity to begin with, am I right to assume that? And therefore are searching for evidence to support that.





Compare that to the concept of the Trinity, which did not start out as a belief in search of support...BUT as a belief which grew OUT of studying the various ways in which Scripture refers to God. So it is a belief which orginates from the evidence, or pondering the differences, at least.





Which seems intellectually more honest? Start with a belief and search for proof, OR look at the evidence and develop your belief FROM IT ??





The belief in the Trinity is ';extra-bibllical'; -- that is it is NOT found in the bible. You are trying to look for evidence FOR or AGAINST it in the bible..which the wrong place. The belief in the Trinitarian nature of God is not found directly or specifically IN the bible.


It developed outside of the bible...by contemplating the various conflicting ways in which God is talked about in the bible. So it comes indirectly from the evidence... a conclusion, NOT a bible verse.





Yet another reason why ';sola scriptura'; or ';bible alone'; doctrine is weak at best. - Because simply put.. not ALL beliefs are contained in the bible..some develop over contemplating the various verses and philosophies of the bible.


The bible didn't exist for the first 400 years roughly, of Christianity. By that time there were many things taught and passed on orally by the Apostles and Fore Fathers which weren't even IN The bible.
cuz He was human at the time....

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