Friday, February 12, 2010

Did Jesus grew up reading the scripture, and just made it come true by his action?

No. Yeshua grew up knowing, living and teaching Torah. It came true because He truly is God incarnate (in the flesh).





YehudiDid Jesus grew up reading the scripture, and just made it come true by his action?
Jesus didn't make anything come true by his actions....he didn't fulfill anything prophesied in scripture, and he never claimed to have done so.





Yes. He did grow up reading the Torah, as have all Jewish boys, throughout history. And he showed, at an early age, a great understanding of the basic and deep meaning of the Scripture. Which is why he never claimed to have fulfilled anything. Near as I can figure, the only thing that he fulfilled was the prophecy that the Messiah would enter Jerusalem riding a white donkey, and even that is suspect. It doesn't mean much, really, in the grand scheme of things, does it? Many people entered Jerusalem on donkeys, and I'm sure several of them were white.Did Jesus grew up reading the scripture, and just made it come true by his action?
Jesus did read the OT. Esp, the book of Isaiah. He also tells us to read the scriptures too. (OT)





Luke 4 v 17 And He was handed the book of the prophet Isaiah. And when He had opened the book, He found the place where it was written:


18 “The Spirit of the Lord is upon Me, Because He has anointed Me To preach the gospel to the poor; He has sent Me to heal the brokenhearted, To proclaim liberty to the captives And recovery of sight to the blind, To set at liberty those who are oppressed;


19 To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord.”


20Then He closed the book, and gave it back to the attendant and sat down. And the eyes of all who were in the synagogue were fixed on Him.


21And He began to say to them, “Today this Scripture is fulfilled in your hearing.”





Isaiah is a book that is mentioned alot in the NT.





Plus, Jesus is not God like some of you stated. Do your research.
No. Only the rabbis kept the scrolls in the Synagogues during Jesus' earthly ministry because they are precious things that needed to be protected. You had to go to school and be trained by the Rabbis to get your hands on the Old Testament. Regular children were taught at home by their parents and passed on the teachings they received from their Synagogue.





Jewish people could not walk down to a Jewish Bookstore and buy a copy of the Old Testament. Only the religious leaders, kings, and the very affluent owned copies of the Old Testament scrolls in Jesus' day.
There are a ton of prophecies that relate to when he was born, who he was born to, where he was born, where he grew up, etc. So while you could claim that he intentionally did things to fulfill prophecy, I'm not sure how you deal with the ones fulfilled by his birth or early childhood.
That makes no sense, from at least two angles.





1) All the false messiahs (even the wildly popular ones) ended up failing for that very reason. They couldn't produce even the necessary genealogical background since the Temple had fallen.





2) But doesn't your question necessarily involve that the prophecies themselves were faked, not just the fulfillment. Think about it.





Now, if you come to your senses and say, What would a flat-out genius philosopher (even Nobel Prize winner) Jew say about Jesus -- Aaah, then we have hope :





Read


Seven Jewish Philosophers Discover Christ, by John M. Oesterreicher
Jesus grew %26amp; learned just as any ';divine'; mortal would do.... and Yes He studied, learned %26amp; taught from the scriptures as well %26lt; He said He was ';about my Father's business'; in the temple%26gt; At some point in that growing, learning, progressing process of His young life His mission had to be CLEAR to Him and He knew HE was the fulfillment of those scriptures in many ways....
(Hosea 11:1) “When Israel was a boy, then I loved him, and out of Egypt I called my son.


Matthew 2:13-15(Matthew 2:13-15) After they had withdrawn, look! Jehovah’s angel appeared in a dream to Joseph, saying: “Get up, take the young child and its mother and flee into Egypt, and stay there until I give you word; for Herod is about to search for the young child to destroy it.” 14 So he got up and took along the young child and its mother by night and withdrew into Egypt, 15 and he stayed there until the decease of Herod, for that to be fulfilled which was spoken by Jehovah through his prophet, saying: “Out of Egypt I called my son.”








(Isaiah 11:1-2) And there must go forth a twig out of the stump of Jes′se; and out of his roots a sprout will be fruitful.





(Micah 5:2) “And you, O Beth′le‧hem Eph′ra‧thah, the one too little to get to be among the thousands of Judah, from you there will come out to me the one who is to become ruler in Israel, whose origin is from early times, from the days of time indefinite.





Things that Jesus could not have planned were these prophecies,being born in Bethlehem,being called out of Egypt when all the children were slaughtered by Herod.Being in the line of Jesse and David he was the sacrificial lamb of God.When the lamb was offered as sacrifice the order was not a bone was to be broken.Jesus died during passover as a sacrificial lamb once and for all times to take away the sin of the world.When the soldiers came to break his legs on the torture stake as was customary he had already died fulfilling the prophecy not a bone of his would be broken.


(Psalm 34:20) He is guarding all the bones of that one; Not one of them has been broken.(John 19:31-36) Then the Jews, since it was Preparation, in order that the bodies might not remain upon the torture stakes on the Sabbath, (for the day of that Sabbath was a great one,) requested Pilate to have their legs broken and the [bodies] taken away. 32 The soldiers came, therefore, and broke the legs of the first [man] and those of the other [man] that had been impaled with him. 33 But on coming to Jesus, as they saw that he was already dead, they did not break his legs. 34 Yet one of the soldiers jabbed his side with a spear, and immediately blood and water came out. 35 And he that has seen [it] has borne witness, and his witness is true, and that man knows he tells true things, in order that YOU also may believe. 36 In fact, these things took place in order for the scripture to be fulfilled: “Not a bone of his will be crushed.”


(Isaiah 53:5) But he was being pierced for our transgression; The chastisement meant for our peace was upon him, and because of his wounds there has been a healing for us.





Note the prophecy he would be pierced no others that day were pierced in their sides only he.(Luke 2:34) Also, Sim′e‧on blessed them, but said to Mary his mother: “Look! This one is laid for the fall and the rising again of many in Israel and for a sign to be talked against35 yes, a long sword will be run through the soul of you yourself), in order that the reasonings of many hearts may be uncovered.”











This was a prohecy given Mary when Jesus was a baby speaking of his death,she did not fully understand it until it happened.


(Isaiah 53:9) And he will make his burial place even with the wicked ones, and with the rich class in his death, despite the fact that he had done no violence and there was no deception in his mouth.


(Matthew 27:57-60) Now as it was late in the afternoon, there came a rich man of Ar‧i‧ma‧the′a, named Joseph, who had also himself become a disciple of Jesus. 58 This man went up to Pilate and asked for the body of Jesus. Then Pilate commanded it to be given over. 59 And Joseph took the body, wrapped it up in clean fine linen, 60 and laid it in his new memorial tomb, which he had quarried in the rock-mass. And, after rolling a big stone to the door of the memorial tomb, he left.





No one could have pre-planned these things not even his family so that all the scriptures and prophecies could be fulfilled thru him.


There are dozens more if you research them. (Luke 4:16-19) And he came to Naz′a‧reth, where he had been reared; and, according to his custom on the sabbath day, he entered into the synagogue, and he stood up to read. 17 So the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed him, and he opened the scroll and found the place where it was written: 18 “Jehovah’s spirit is upon me, because he anointed me to declare good news to the poor, he sent me forth to preach a release to the captives and a recovery of sight to the blind, to send the crushed ones away with a release, 19 to preach Jehovah’s acceptable year.”Jesus had access to the scrolls and always gave the answer it is written,bu in no way would it have been possible to fulfill the things just mentioned.











Learn more at http://www.jw.org/
Jesus knew scripture. and he fulfilled it.





Jews had a custom of having there children read the entire old testament and have it memorized word by word by the age of 12.
He was led of the holy Spirit to fulfill all OT prophecies...including dying on the cross.





Of course, you unbelievers are not able to see this...





';IF OUR GOSPEL BE HID, IT IS HID TO THEM THAT ARE LOST, IN WHOM THE GOD OF THIS WORLD HAS BLINDED THE MNDS OF THEM THAT BELIEVE NOT....';(2Corin.4:3)
Jesus was Jewish. He would have grown up reading, or at least familiar with, the Torah (the first five books of the Christian Old Testament).


The New Testament was written starting 70 years after his death.
As a young child Jesus studied scripture at the Synagogue and amazed the Scholars there with his knowledge and wisdom. Jesus led us by example throughout the Bible to be like him.
jesus would have studied the old testament as this was the jewish history book of their relationship with god.
You would have to say he got the Jews and Romans to kill him just to make something written happen, not likely.
no





did he heal a blind man or raise a person from the dead just by reading the scriptures?





I do not believe so.
Why would JESUS need to read what he himself wrote.
He created it -- and demonstrated His word... to teach us His ways. I don't think He had to read it.... He was Omniscient!
According to the work of fiction known as the bible, Jesus was raised as a Jew, and Jews of that time would have been taught the Torah, or our version of the old testament. The fictitious work called the new testament was not written by man until well after the fictitious death of the fictitious character Jesus.
Yes, they learned to read and write with them. It was done daily in the home.





In the day of Jesus, though there were Hebrew or Aramaic copies of the scripture in usage, the Old Testament of the people, the one used generally, the one quoted by Jesus and Paul and the New Testament authors, was the Septuagint. This Greek version of Holy Writ-commonly referred to as the LXX, because according to tradition it had been translated from Hebrew into Greek by about seventy scholars-was by no means a perfect reflection of the mind and will of Him from whom scripture comes. It contained all of our present Old Testament, plus many apocryphal books, and much license had been taken by the translators. It was completed more than two hundred years before the Christian era, and many of its passages contained gross mistakes while others presented clarifications of the Hebrew originals. Edersheim says that the ';free handling of the text'; by Hellenistic translators resulted in ';a strenuous effort . . . to banish all anthropomorphisms, as inconsistent with their ideas of Deity.'; (Edersheim 1:28.)
He certainly did, if you believe the Gospel writers. He unequivocaly tells them to go to a particular house to find a donkey (bloody censorship! It says A*S*S in the Bible) for him to ride into Jerusalem ';so that the prophecy might be fulfilled';... and if he said that, I bet he arranged for the donkey to be there ready beforehand.
Actually he did not fulfill any prophecy. Far from it. By no means were the Jews expecting a poor peasant to be executed like a criminal. That's not what the scriptures foretold at all.





You can thank Paul for conveniently forgetting all that.
We can't be sure. He didn't keep a diary.





However, we know that he was a devout Jew so I would say that yes he read the scripture. Now if he did things to make it come true, I don't know.
No, Jesus did not grew up reading the scripture. He was a Jew and read Torah. New Testament was written way after and included some of the Gospels.
yes..obviously..but a christian fundamentalist would not agree..since it was a suicide mission..
We really don't know what his education was. It would answer a lot of questions if we did.
I think?
You got it!





He is the ONLY ONE who could.





Nice pick-up.
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